Friday, 9 December 2016

Axiom 831 - Subjective and Objective Knowing



Nature and Drugs
https://youtu.be/-WAZNhxlauo
 

- Following Taken from

Hate-Pandering Gets A Reality Check


Conflating opinion and fact is the very lodestone of all religious ideology (scientific or religious). And this is farmed and indulged by large scale precincts (economic and social instruments commanding the surviving agency of the general population) of very sophisticated (like a god) international metaphysical military intelligence mafias.

But conflating personal conviction with strictly objective fact "paves the way to lead Man into perceiving not only an unbridged divide between subjective values and objective "facts" but also to only being able to "realistically" orient subjective values to objective facts of the matter. This leads the way to an entire disorientation of Man with respect to determining what is real for one's self and one's entire orientation to space, time and ideas, to God, one's mother, one's father, one's self and eternity and Nature. This also leads the way to creating a great amount of division and trauma-based and thus savant human mental development, thus fomenting all kinds of brutal religious intolerance, bigotry and intellectual sophistry (and racism)."

- From "The Pilgrim's Progress"  

Talking back to an Atheist - A Living School

The Cults of Labour and Science - A Living School

Axiom 830 - The Preeminence of Consciousness

Thursday, 8 December 2016

Womb and Tomb - A Living School


With some river delta, in some cavern under cloak
Of life's penultimate and virgin impulse of desire's
Inhalation of itself across the gulfs some distant fold
Of earth and air the generations of a child's
Own succession from the heavens and the earth excused
From cloying insults from the minds so long deprived that air
And fire flowing through the hearts the stars that would commune
The womb and tomb that is by every womb and tomb prepare
For Once upon a time the folds of that alliance spit
Into the reaches outer space that ocean and that ink's
Illimitable substance spoken by the blood the lips
And winds that listen we would listen for that ocean drinks
A child from a mother so the human soul itself
Emerged, conceived from all the heaving of the earth and stars
Forgetting every distance parted from that substance spells
With its contractions every chapter of the human hearts
A dawning wakes upon its temple pressed into the irons
Bibles, icons the horizon populated scowls
And smiling faces buy and sell their voices on the pyres
All the stories that compose the rivers, canyons, clouds
A child scared out of the senses of their soul the sweat
And sex of every fathom of that temple spirit dwells
The virgin limbs of all the hymns of nature every depth
Of here and the hereafter the attraction that propels
The sun and moon to turn around the meaning of our wine
The appetites that coil sound the temple of the soul
Stretched every bound a living bliss of pleasure the divine
Expanse of that great consummation that must e'er unfold
Surrounded by the mind of Man a bleeding back and forth
Successions every generation of the pulse of life
Desires born and born again the Motherland of Lords
Of song and knowledge god and goddess voices realize
That inspiration all of nature something of the bliss
That preys upon our every separation from ourselves
So integral to all our growth and knowing only this
These living riches living dying all that they are spelled
Upon the water heaving shores of earth and star, of moon
And phases of creation draw and consecrate the blood
Of grapes and leaves and human dreams of bodies who commune
Their voices turning in the very reaches they would touch
A storm had passed, a life that canst not e'er requite itself
Nor any object of these senses all at once aflame
Incendiary sparks and stars celestial that dwelt
The baths of dusk and morn the form of everyone who laid
Illuminated as they moved like shades that holy torch
Devoted to its own expansion, transformation and
If distant letters of the stories voices in the orbs
Ephemeral with all that spring or winter take the hand
The heat and cold of every fold of night and day the words
That slip into the darkest limpid death and life converged.




Kingdom Come - A Living Poetry 
 


Paradise Was - A Living Epic Poetry










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Axiom 830 - The Preeminence of Consciousness


With glorious ease they bound from revelation to revelation, stopping only to reflect upon their own brief history. Such amazing creatures, able to look inside themselves and see a thought, transforming that thought into whole cities and civilizations. Such activity upon a mere speck amidst the dark infinity that lay beyond.


 



Jean-Paul Satre said that the body is patterned after or subordinate to if wholly symbiotic with the consciousness. 

To continue a theme, it is my belief that every impulse and desire, every change and transformation of the body is also compelled by the soul.

**Aristotle said that the body and its senses were ignited by the soul or by the mind, by the consciousness. It is my belief that the very attraction of all song and knowledge god and goddess, of the bliss of knowledge and the knowledge of bliss or living creative intelligence in itself were wholly symbiotic with and related to all of our desires and impulses and these with every dimension of life and growth in the whole of cosmic life.

Our consciousness were forever inciting transformation and growth according to our whole consciousness but also to our necessarily sublimated consciousness and so if even only very slight separation from ourselves. While this separation is grossly magnified by a cybernetic society, to attempt to dissolve it is an ill conceived desire borne of rather more separation from oneself than is entirely necessary or natural, be this the fashion of all cults of salvation or enlightenment on Earth.

Man is an animal and a human being.

The early sixteenth century Italian philosopher, Niccolò Machiavelli (a man who spent around fifteen years seclusion absorbing the greatest ideas of his or any time) wrote in The Prince in its famous eighteenth chapter, "In What Way Princes Must Keep Faith," that "The Achilles myth of the centaur teaches us that we are 'semi-animal, semi-human' and that 'a prince must know how to use both natures.'" 

As an animal and a human being all of our impulses continue to be coordinated by a consciousness necessarily if only slightly alien to ourselves, that of knowing and unknowing or moon and sun or night and day forever revealing and concealing, seeking and finding one another across all bounds of an some illimitable substance of all mind and matter inextricably bound up with all stories and voices in man and nature.


**Note:

From The Holy Roman Church of Science - A Living School 

Axiom 818 - René Descartes


http://summit.sfu.ca/item/13886


"To my surprise, Aristotle’s treatise, On Sense and the Sensible (Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.a), included references to, of all things, the soul. In fact, if I understood him correctly, the role of the physicist is to study the science of Nature (note the capitalization indicating reverence – not mine, by the way), and the best way to do that is to begin with the study of the soul as it provides the most insight (from Physics, Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.c). To add to my state of disbelief, he asserted that the soul is the cause, or source of the body, and hence inseparable from it: the body corresponds to what exists in potentiality; as the pupil plus the power of sight constitutes the eye, so the soul plus the body constitutes the animal. From this it indubitably follows that the soul is inseparable from its body. (Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.b)"

Page 40, Ibid.



"It is clear that what is sensitive is only potentially, not actually. The power of sense is parallel to what is combustible, for that never ignites itself spontaneously, but requires an agent which has the power of starting ignition; otherwise it could have set itself on fire, and would not have needed actual fire to set it ablaze. (Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.b)"

Page 40, Ibid.



"It would be another four hundred years after that before the Aristotelian worldview, which placed Earth at the centre of the cosmos [my emphasis], would cease to be the foremost teaching (DeWitt, 2010), at which time Copernicus would introduce his revolutionary ideas during the age of Enlightenment."

Page 39, Ibid.



From The Holy Roman Church of Science - A Living School 


Axiom 818 - René Descartes



Reference on subjective and objective knowing:

Talking back to an Atheist - A Living School
 












The Cults of Labour and Science - A Living School




"The world is at war with the soul. Only, the soul's war against the world (the war of our actual peace as it is necessarily the enemy of all values and statutes in the world) is so much more sophisticated, delicate and precise than that of the world's war against the soul. You probably didn't even know it was going on."







This project, this school has talked a lot about cults, and the fact that many if not most cults are not even considered cults by most ostensibly well informed or well educated people the world over.

One massive cult that can boast the membership of the entire general population is the Labour cult, the cults of Labour, including the labour of birth and the sacrifice offered up by its medical, legal, military and metaphysical parameters, which is one reason or many why I think so many women suffer so during labour, suffering the stress of what amounts to their forfeiting of their child's life to the State Labour Cults of the banks, churches, schools and courts (and hospitals).

Where I live there is even an annual holiday called Labour Day.

Traditionally, the same time of year, as of old, involved a lot of sacrifice or deranging of the senses, of animals and even of people or children through a kind of mania for the exhaustion of stress related to the imposition of one's abject impotence to effect anything more than an elaborate sham regarding one's actual native liberty to make your own most private determinations about what is true for you and your children. The same goes for Christmas and springtime and so on.

People dedicated their whole lives to this cult, which is not just about working but also principles attach to what and how one dedicates their labour and to whom, as well as under a subsequent compulsion groomed or exported by subjecting children to this cult during their infant and critical developmental years. This happens at home but also through the penal colonies (in brick and philosophy) that we deign to call places of education where children are sent, by their parents, for upwards of thirteen years during the most critical times of their brain development, and for a duration amounting to over 200 days of any given calendar (working) year, one broken up as much as the heavens and the earth (the inventory of the Roman super class, including that of all the gods and all the property and all the philosophies of property matriculated up and down through the trappings of mass psychology, so that humans are given a daily taste like a snifter of heady mead of the nectar of their own generational sacrifice) into rather more arbitrary dynamics and measures than not, going from days of the year to miles to sun and even the motion of the Earth and sun together. That is a place (and school and all of its attending cults of death and debt) that leaves a very great impression (and propensity for labour) upon the brain.

See The Holy Roman Church of Science - A Living School

And why is this widely deemed a good idea by the very people who are charged, as of old, with presiding over the critical development or, failing that, staying out of the way of the critical natural development of the whole human locus of ethical, sexual, emotional and mental development and coordination of an infant growing human brain?

What children are told whilst under the influence of people who command a total physical and psychological advantage over them effects how their brain works (or not). Need this even be said.

Children will do anything to remain part of the herd, of the tribe, including suffering insults without any noticeable complaint. Even the brain will do this automatically. This is why we pick up the language of our parents, of our family of origin or of what amount to our custodial guardians, since parents the world over give up the products of their reproductive systems by birth and by marriage, by all kinds of cult rituals from labour to labour, birth to death, absolved as they are (in the name of some pleasure or celebration or labour for "society") of all proportional knowledge or responsibility as glorified high function psychopaths symbiotic with every encroaching and steadily more entrenched (body and soul) convention of mass human sacrifice that would shock anyone to know how pleasurable it is, how useful, in truth, to the body and mind of man and society as a whole. Your garbage would not be picked up without it, nor your Television work properly nor your jewelry be so finely displayed, all for pennies of what is actually extracted from your brain (your native psychological and biological industry and its natural place in all the purpose, growth, transformation, continuity and life of Earth and Sky) by birth and with the critical assistance of your state guardians or god like mothers and fathers of what you might subsequently only wistfully think of as the temple of your ancestral voice and theirs (that of all of heaven and earth, here and hereafter).

Wizards of the Future - A Living School

And all families speak their own language. And it is the unspoken language that is often the most critical to the treatment of a child who will be alternately rewarded and ridiculed for his or her ability to speak and extol this language throughout their body, personality and actions. Children have to get a job, whether or not this is useful to their actual well being, even as people drop like flies from cancer and other degenerative plagues of the so-called modern age.

This could be mitigated with sufficiently ethical and developed parents. But they are like birds of myth and lore.

You could tell a child the Earth were flat or round as a child and it would not matter which were actually true. And this is so because children begin to be told or "taught" all kinds of things beyond their senses with absolutely no qualification, as though these things are necessarily true upon a mere say so, or popularity. Is it any wonder that so many millions of children consider evolution to be a "Fact" upon no more evidence than that of the say so of a professor of biology (or the Roman orthodox church thereof)? These are children whose minds will supply and do any reason why this theory is a fact. I often ask them to do so and they sound just the same as any Christian asked about Jesus, a story that is also a) monumental in its militarized scale of psychological warfare as symbiotic with most minds, Xian or not and b) not nearly necessarily true by a long shot, nor even needs to be (in the case of any story) in order to preserve the most beneficial and even celestial coordination and marriage of sense and voice, of objective and subjective reality, of imagination with every other faculty of man and nature, all of which is necessarily corrupted to the point of being extolled as absolutely necessary to all human free-dumb when what is personally true is utterly conflated, with not distinction or qualification, with what is necessarily true and necessarily true for the sake of one's safety, salvation or social acceptance of a curiously pecuniary nature.

This is the sign of a cult, and a cult that is extremely ubiquitous.

And people who are the victims of cults gain the power or compulsion to equate their opinions with facts, their evidently diminished capacity to make sufficient provisions for adequate distinctions between what is necessarily true and what is not necessarily true, between what is not necessarily false and what is not necessarily true as often equated, by the psychotic brain by definition, with the power to arbitrate with impunity for fact and fiction, right and wrong. And if you cannot make adequate evident distinctions between fact and fiction, or what is no more necessarily false than necessarily true, how can you begin to know right from wrong? This fallacy is suffered, what is more, by cults of religion and secularism (atheism and scientism - Science Says instead of Jesus or Allah or Buddha Says).

This is what one expects from every cult, including the Labour cult.

Even what is considered Objective Fact has been transformed over the years.

Science itself has, on behalf of the Roman Church, developed mathematical and religious (linguistic) transformations of symbol and logic that have changed what is considered objective and subjective, effectively commandeering the senses of everyone.

Objective used to mean that it was evident to the senses; you could see or hear or taste or touch it.

With more augmentation of these senses (and to much good effect, such as showing the relationship between phases of the moon and when to pick grapes for wine, something growers have known for centuries, anyway, but you get the point, or going to get treatment for viral and bacterial infection), there has developed, if you will, less and less reliance upon the senses, to the extent that much of science today is reliant (though objective fact) upon transformations of word and symbol that are almost wholly removed from the senses of the average person and even from the scientists themselves, scientists who, in the case of Quantum Particle research, rely wholly upon devices and complex statistical analysis.

The same goes for cosmology or evolution. And in the case of cosmology all of the "eyes in the sky" or scientific "objective" instruments are owned by the Roman authorities, the content of whose data is rendered by computer before being presented to the public. And, no, throwing such agencies into disrepute does not mean that any competing theory of the universe is necessarily true, a point I have had to make with the modern incarnation of the flat Earth movement. Geodesy of centuries proves that the Earth is round through direct measurement that does not require any electronics and you can check the actual log books yourself.


Reference on subjective and objective knowing:

Talking back to an Atheist - A Living School 


You would have to have the faith of a four year old to say that this kind of "science" gives anyone an objective insight into what is "necessarily true." Like telling a child to take your word on faith, it does not even matter if any of this science (from evolution to global warming to cosmology to quantum physics to vaccinations) is any or some bit necessarily true or not. It could as well be false or true.

And this is all that is necessary to produce and indulge a cult psychology.

People work their whole lives and then die of some stress-related illness. Many of my family have whilst their families continue to suffer various kinds of psychological duress passing like the shock wave of a bomb through generations of brains that, unaccountably and intractably stressed, necessarily take on the propensities of the indelible impressions made upon them as a development need subsequently smuggled into all confidence relationships the world over. This is both the cause and effect of all psychological and kinetic warfare, all of which is, give your head a shake, always been trained upon the skull cap and brain matter of our infant babies the incarnation of the locus of all human wealth and power.

They who work to death do not have the excuse that they did not know any better. We even call them "working stiffs." Or the "living dead" in the more fanciful regions of cultural exhaustion of its considerable commensurate anguish and disorientation. Culture is just the aggregate of all death, debt and drug cults.

Caveat emptor. Let the buyer beware.

You made the choice to believe that you had to "work for a living" and "have a career" and "pay your way," all things told to you (spoken or not) by your family of origin, custodial agents of the state, agents who routinely and sincerely gave you up to the school system (a church for securing and extracting human capital, human labour) in a manner that amounts to psychologically aborting you. Is this why young adults experience what is called "adolescence" or is it purely natural?

Perhaps all of this is why great American novelist Herman Melville wrote the following passage in his landmark work, Moby Dick: 

“Where lies the final harbor, whence we unmoor no more? In what rapt ether sails the world, of which the weariest will never weary? Where is the foundling’s father hidden? Our souls are like those orphans whose unwedded mothers die in bearing them: the secret of our paternity lies in their grave, and we must there learn it.”

"And I have felt a presence that disturbs me with the joy of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime of something far more deeply interfused, whose dwelling is the light of setting suns, and the round ocean and the living air, and the blue sky, and in the mind of man, a motion and a spirit, that impels all thinking things, all objects of all thought, and rolls through all things..."

William Wordsworth, Tintern Abbey, July 13, 1798



This and previous quotation at

Quotes On Mass Psychological Compliance



From a purely sensory objective point of view, you need air, food, shelter, decent social association.

You do not, objectively speaking, need to "pay your way," much less spend 40 to 70 hours a week of any from 30 to 50 years of your life at a job securing not only your labour but your payment, with labour, for your own labour to and for umbrella corporate fictions heavily invested in nothing less inhospitable than the securing and extracting of all human labour, as do you to the very degree or degrees that you attempt to get some of the money (and narcotic pleasure, fashion and status) circulated upon no other basis, the total consolidated monopoly upon all human capital as this system and all of its human constituent corporate fictions by brain and by labour, actors upon "the world's a stage" of total disorientation to life preface saving you and the world from yourself, saving you from what John Locked called the "ill condition" of Man, preface to becoming, with some little pleasure and a great deal of insult to the brain, however pleasurable it may well become in the future, what amounts to an actor or agent on behalf of and even willing to kill or tacitly excuse or fund the killing on behalf of protecting, though a God or child, the cybernetic system that both injures and saves us (like Jesus or Buddha or Allah, Democracy or Communism or Feminism or Humanism, or Xianity or the New Age, or healers and teachers of every stripe on Earth, whatever their competence or distinction) as a priority to protecting in any way but name every other respective constituent member of any and every family and society on Earth, even though everyone is worth astronomically more than their evaluation by the international metaphysical military intelligence mafia involved in disrupting and insinuating itself into and so articulated by the native cellular and social communication of all Mankind for its own sake and that of the super class of living gods who enjoy such an albeit wholly depraved taste for human flesh worshiped at a store or church, court or school, home or tome near you.


As John Locked writes in Chapter 9 of his second treatise of Civil Government:

Of the Ends of Political Society and Government.



"Sec. 127. Thus mankind, notwithstanding all the privileges of the state of nature, being but in an ill condition, while they remain in it, are quickly driven into society. [my emphasis] Hence it comes to pass, that we seldom find any number of men live any time together in this state. The inconveniencies that they are therein exposed to, by the irregular and uncertain exercise of the power every man has of punishing the transgressions of others, make them take sanctuary under the established laws of government, and therein seek the preservation of their property. It is this makes them so willingly give up every one his single power of punishing, to be exercised by such alone, as shall be appointed to it amongst them; and by such rules as the community, or those authorized by them to that purpose, shall agree on. And in this we have the original right and rise of both the legislative and executive power, as well as of the governments and societies themselves."

Man is a debt. Man is born in a debtor's prison fashioned for him by his own nature. All systems of exchange give competing instruments of the State cults a stake in what has already been taken from billions of people by birth and word and then gets you to pay for this under the guise of providing you with the service of business or government, any benefits from whom do not necessarily confer legitimacy upon any of them, nor upon you who are so weary for some sense of mental coherence congruent with all that you are born sensible of, listening to which were the greatest threat to all forms of peace on Earth and the greatest pleasure to knowing ourselves and the living celestial temple of the stories and voices that make up our families and our worlds, wearing for power at all costs as symbiotic as air with everything you think you are fighting against, rebelling against for "exposing" as though you are making any social instrument or agent nervous instead of making their day (as much as you are making your own day with this pitiful displace of trying to cure the world you cannot cure of insults to human intelligence with further insults to human intelligence, however pleasurable they may be, however much they may satiate the appetites that have formed around being born into such a world).

Man is a debtor, a sinner. Man is born in a debtor's prison fashioned for him by his own nature. And he needs give his arduous labour away or even pay for it in order to get to heaven, get a good rebirth or establish any sense of even corrupted and highly corruptible coherence in society and at all costs, costs pay back the subsequent loss of any capacity or will to notice the actual range and scale of detrimental effects to one's brain and that of the whole world, effects integral to all systems of peace, progress and money the world over.

So does he, under this power of God or State, come to be inured to a system for extracting his own labour and powered like a god by the animation of all surviving human capital (appraised at 12 billion dollars per person beyond their knowledge, even though they are all traded for this amount, as serial numbers on their very own birth certificates (issued by a Bank) on the trade exchanges of the world) and all for the remuneration of but symbolic notes and transformations of the ever increasing burden (fake debt and truly dangerous and grievous disorientation to life) that he and she are represented as and represent themselves to be to such a system or world mind, every agency expelled in order to "make money" that only Rome can make (you see the child-like illusion of power baubles given to them through so-called "currency" driven like an electrical current on the order of life and desire itself by Man's disoriented tastes and passions, including herd acceptance, all threatened on the order of death by his apostasy) which supply the power to all psychological, religious and kinetic or cybernetic systems needed to extract and command, with an ease that would both awe and horrify the average person, the violent insatiable power of billions of soldiers within and peripheral to explicit armed forces (including all churches and religions, schools and courts), transformations of word and symbol, church and science that are produced by and directed, thus, at brain-specific targets for perpetuating every sense of safety or progress left to every ascending and descending order of power and knowledge on Earth.

All of this provides for the full articulation of all human sacrifice.

Money represented orders of human sacrifice or brain function.

People joke about losing brain cells by drinking or doing opiates.

The fear were better placed on exchanging labour for money (and paying for your own labour and personal property, giving it away for 13 or more years or paying to do so when you go to "school"), a cult and cult-like compulsion (learned during infancy, and learned beyond all objective rationale) that evidently and necessarily constrains brain function and restricts blood flow to the brain.

I do not claim that one should not work.

I am just one of those people who persist in thinking that it might be reasonable to know what you are getting into when you sign up for "working for a living" and "working for life."



Also See The Realistic Outlook - A Living School

Axiom 699 - Principles of Vitruvian Stellarium

Axiom 808 - The Welfare State of Mind



Also See Axiom 830 - The Preeminence of Consciousness





With glorious ease they bound from revelation to revelation, stopping only to reflect upon their own brief history. Such amazing creatures, able to look inside themselves and see a thought, transforming that thought into whole cities and civilizations. Such activity upon a mere speck amidst the dark infinity that lay beyond.


 



Jean-Paul Satre said that the body is patterned after or subordinate to if wholly symbiotic with the consciousness. 

To continue a theme, it is my belief that every impulse and desire, every change and transformation of the body is also compelled by the soul.

**Aristotle said that the body and its senses were ignited by the soul or by the mind, by the consciousness. It is my belief that the very attraction of all song and knowledge god and goddess, of the bliss of knowledge and the knowledge of bliss or living creative intelligence in itself were wholly symbiotic with and related to all of our desires and impulses and these with every dimension of life and growth in the whole of cosmic life.

Our consciousness were forever inciting transformation and growth according to our whole consciousness but also to our necessarily sublimated consciousness and so if even only very slight separation from ourselves. While this separation is grossly magnified by a cybernetic society, to attempt to dissolve it is an ill conceived desire borne of rather more separation from oneself than is entirely necessary or natural, be this the fashion of all cults of salvation or enlightenment on Earth.

Man is an animal and a human being.

The early sixteenth century Italian philosopher, Niccolò Machiavelli (a man who spent around fifteen years seclusion absorbing the greatest ideas of his or any time) wrote in The Prince in its famous eighteenth chapter, "In What Way Princes Must Keep Faith," that "The Achilles myth of the centaur teaches us that we are 'semi-animal, semi-human' and that 'a prince must know how to use both natures.'" 

As an animal and a human being all of our impulses continue to be coordinated by a consciousness necessarily if only slightly alien to ourselves, that of knowing and unknowing or moon and sun or night and day forever revealing and concealing, seeking and finding one another across all bounds of an some illimitable substance of all mind and matter inextricably bound up with all stories and voices in man and nature.


**Note:

From The Holy Roman Church of Science - A Living School 

Axiom 818 - René Descartes


http://summit.sfu.ca/item/13886


"To my surprise, Aristotle’s treatise, On Sense and the Sensible (Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.a), included references to, of all things, the soul. In fact, if I understood him correctly, the role of the physicist is to study the science of Nature (note the capitalization indicating reverence – not mine, by the way), and the best way to do that is to begin with the study of the soul as it provides the most insight (from Physics, Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.c). To add to my state of disbelief, he asserted that the soul is the cause, or source of the body, and hence inseparable from it: the body corresponds to what exists in potentiality; as the pupil plus the power of sight constitutes the eye, so the soul plus the body constitutes the animal. From this it indubitably follows that the soul is inseparable from its body. (Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.b)"

Page 40, Ibid.



"It is clear that what is sensitive is only potentially, not actually. The power of sense is parallel to what is combustible, for that never ignites itself spontaneously, but requires an agent which has the power of starting ignition; otherwise it could have set itself on fire, and would not have needed actual fire to set it ablaze. (Aristotle, 350BCE/n.d.b)"

Page 40, Ibid.



"It would be another four hundred years after that before the Aristotelian worldview, which placed Earth at the centre of the cosmos [my emphasis], would cease to be the foremost teaching (DeWitt, 2010), at which time Copernicus would introduce his revolutionary ideas during the age of Enlightenment."

Page 39, Ibid.



From The Holy Roman Church of Science - A Living School 


Axiom 818 - René Descartes




 










 


Wednesday, 7 December 2016

The Realistic Outlook - A Living School


My lightheartedness has fast become more dedicated to gaining a better understanding or awareness of my environment. To be sure I was reluctant to make such a commitment at first. However, early attempts paid off dividends that made it exponentially harder to ignore.

Today I would report that the human brain is under an incredible amount of persistent duress. Fortunately and unfortunately, depending upon how you look at it, the brain is very good - as plastic as is its nature - at adapting. However, as it adapts and the more extensive exertions and changes necessary to adapt the less adequate survival of its capacity to retain helpful understanding of or adequate distinctions between what is well and what is unwell, having sustained (and by its own agency, however much provoked) gross if not astronomical changes to all of its parameters for operation and coordination, body and mind, with the whole of its inner and surrounding cosmic life, its arguably reciprocal exchanges of meaning, creativity, transformation and purpose, of the stories and voices (or cause and effect relationships, organs and celestial as mechanical dynamics) that make up all mind and matter.

The human brain changes as it resolves itself to the parameters of an environment that is more and more dominated by what Man and particularly Man's fairly sophisticated regulation of what Man makes of his and her environment, under the power of brains that have sustained so significant changes in their operation (if our own lives are any indication) as to mandate Herculean insinuations into the function of all of the brains within our sphere of influence as we are weaned, if you will, our tastes adapting to what amounts to a symbiotic pleasure in the truly god-like measures undertaken to secure and extract human capital, our psychological and biological coordination, communion and industry.

Wizards of the Future - A Living School

Now, if this seems unreal or imposing, that is because it must seem that way.

But even these emotional responses which must be owned to be normal betray something of the nature of the animal under consideration - no less than a world of the ecology, psychology, economy and biology of man and nature that has, for whatever reason, been so grossly corrupted as to demand nothing else from likely scores of successive generations of children the world over, all of whom are more likely than not to honestly wonder why the world is the way it is and to whet their appetite for some easy if approximate narrative that explains it all whilst exhausting the psychic tension that must be introduced by any very acute deviation from the whole human (native) locus of ethical, sexual, mental and emotional development and coordination that would provide for a ready and even nearly accurate sense of one's immediate and extended physical and social environment with an accuracy close to that of any animal on Earth with respect to their nature and function, their life, any of which animals can be readily observed to be well oriented to just that, life, in contrast to the human species.

This may be shocking.

But if it is, and it must be, then why?

And if it is, is that not some indication of its veracity?

Is it shocking because it is false or because it is true?

Is there anything about this that should not be self evident? 

Why don't we have ready vernacular for this as a species?

And do the answers (or not) to these questions suggest the veracity or not of the claims under consideration?

If we do not readily notice this distress to the brain, however inured it may well have become to it (at a cost subsequently lost to most all human interest or awareness, irrespective of education, distinction, profession or religious orientation), and it is so prevalent, what does that mean for our species?

Could any member of that species be rightly expected to be equipped to handle these ideas? And what is the result of effectively relieving them of all collusion or culpability, however invasive what amounts to the spear end of all wars and cults of wars being unceremoniously inserted into the skull cap of every new born infant child upon whom we feast as a species in the name of all freedom, safety, progress and salvation the world over?

Or does anything in the world suggest that these ideas are not even worth considering?

People grow up in cults all of the time.

And few of them even know the extent of the effects.

What of most of the most ubiquitous cults were not even thought of as cults by most ostensibly secular, well educated or spiritual people? 

In a very real sense, the most difficult and those most influential dimensions to our environment are the most unpalatable to the very minds that vaunt their premier sense of knowledge and well being in face of every evidence to the contrary and under the influence of what must then necessarily be a grossly detrimental as narcotic developmental disorder as ubiquitous as air or water. 

As a young man studying math and physics, I gained an early taste for our capacity to represent the environment of space and time with symbols with logic (or grammar ideally amenable to correction and tempering by the never ending genesis and transformation of all mind and matter) and transform that language or take it through transformations in the mind in order to apply it back to the original environment it was used to represent in albeit symbolic form, as we do the moment we learn to speak, a function that must be preceded by any of countless physical and psychological transformations of truly epic proportion and coordination, to the point that I now concede to the evident fact that all life and mind is made up of stories and voices we gain better access to if the very amniotic substance of illimitable living intelligence by listening to our emotions and so to the entire world of family, man and nature, a capacity strangely but greatly aided, I found, by acknowledging the very real possibility that those charged with overseeing our most critical child development were likely ill equipped to make adequate provisions for our developmental needs spoken and non in a scale of neglect that ranks, in terms of the human brain and all that we remain sensible if unconscious of, as an acutely violent insult to our intelligence that leaves an indelible impression (an wholly unprovoked and unpredictable diminished capacity for reason, empathy, comprehension and logic, for respecting and making consistently reasonable distinctions between the objective and subjective nature of all story and voice) come propensity for the same upon our brains the world over and under the specter of all gods and all god-like stories of science and spirituality in a marketplace for the buying and selling of voices and stories to their immense corruption, except under the corresponding narcotic delusion that we both suffer and indulge with impunity, all protected as the cybernetic regulation for the extraction, so, of all human capital (animates all gods and god-like stories of genesis and destiny, man and nature) from proportional moral and critical scrutiny as priority (symbiotic with our own nested psychosis) to that of the well being of every other respective member of our families and nations and all as exhorted by acute developmental arrest whose deviations our own brains codify (to protect us from the pain that would say so much the only way to inform the brain about and so restore its native capacity for life, one lost to the cost of most all disease and war on Earth) as a new set of superior parameters for making adequate determinations for what is true for us, for the every most liberal articulation of our lives and minds and those of our very own young and their (and the world's) safety and salvation from themselves instead of themselves (and their stories and voices of the living celestial temple and whole dimension of a child's song and knowledge god and goddess) from such a bloodthirsty world.


Reference on subjective and objective knowing:

Talking back to an Atheist - A Living School 


I then, having lost interest in the insufficient mandates of science (a choice that has since been substantiated by my research into the military intelligence that runs all science and cults of science, owing to the very great power of Man's most enduring symbolic transformations of the cosmos of mind and matter, something that has never been the sole province of explicit churches of Rome), began applying this same logic to my own personal symbolic intelligence, representing every aspect of my experience, transforming it into sequences of letters (or spells) that gave all the appearance of drinking from the well of all living creative intelligence and this in order to provide something stimulating and hopefully nourishing to other people, speak as I assumed they most a language of equal reciprocity with all life and cosmos, time and tide.




Children happy for an hour bear the minutes seconds every dread
Receding remnant of our sleep the day were way too young
And past and future far to heady brew for human sense
Dissembling the mind and body of the Moon and Sun
First dawning orbits of the words within the womb combined
With voices stories hoary forces that incorporate
Incorporated into stems of memories the mind
Of man and nature pray to one another to circulate
Their symbiotic wonder one another under force
The impulse of unknown depths that temper every form
Of voice and story animated by that substance pours
Out of the every inspiration man and nature born
From bounded and unbounded realms for all she spells and lives
The letters of the earth and heavens everywhere she goes
Attaining to a bold if blind devotion to that happiness
That shares with all its bare necessity the golden hosts
A song and knowledge god and goddess organs of the dark
Surrounding virgin oceanic mind that strains and throbs
The engines of the dusk and dawn the pulse of every heart
That beats that blood informing and informed the touch of gods
Who alternately ape and save the human mind conceived
In legions cults of gulfs in mind and body raised (and bought and sold) to heights
Of faith and science the reversal all that people kneel
Before the gods not gods of voices stories bought the blights
Upon the living songs and stories chalices of mind
And of imagination all their marriage of the song
And knowledge god and goddess symbiotic with a child
Heir to all the inky reaches spelled the very thoughts
Across these heaving transformations letters live and breathe
Across the breast of every circulation of the winds
And plants and animals that populate as populated leagues
These people quite as heaving and celestial as scripts
The holy thoughts who over all the human fabric glower
Animals of blood and trust extracted from the Earth
And all the more the more relieved reliant on the power
Awesome stories borne aloft a people's every word (and birth)
Supply the citadels of gods of knowledge all their strength
The genesis and destiny in every story sewn
Invasive as invading armies roots in every length
And measure the diurnal pulse of body, sense and home
Recused from any but the wombs of soldiers, priests and slaves
Their tribute of their very stories voices so betrayed.




Kingdom Come - A Living Poetry 
 


Paradise Was - A Living Epic Poetry


 





Very well. And very nice. Beyond having children, I am not sure anyone can be all that certain of finding anyone like a solid mate, since we are not built that way.

This might be why so many people find their greatest consolation in their pets or favourite Television shows.

Personally, I get more out of my pragmatism (cynicism) and my more romantic sensibilities by indulging both and cultivating critical and emotional distinctions between them.

The sheer prevalence of this turn of mind (experience makes most people distrust their own species or risk straining credulity beyond tolerable limits) speaks to its substance.

All that is left is to contend with the however imposing challenge of resolving latent romantic sensibilities with the reality of almost all human experience across all time.


- See Axiom 824 - Critical Delusion and Definition of all Cults 

"One cannot command native human power and be a complete victim. This is the psychotic if understandable delusion of all cults of a cybernetic-industrial (religious or scientific) society.

"In the world barbarism and romanticism collide. Barbarism always wins. And both sides of this polemic benefit from this collision."



Experience supplies the bituminous material and romance the incendiary element that of the mind that shall "not go gently into that good night." (Dylan Thomas)

I have many more thoughts on the matter.

But I should be mindful to add that it is my experience and not my fancy that has sustained my belief that the romantic spirit (that of all living creative intelligence and human heritage by every voice and story, measure for measure of heaven and earth, mind and matter, here and hereafter, sadness, anger or laughter) cannot be easily put out.

One could sooner squelch the fire of all the stars in the sky or all the fires in all the souls that marry sense and sensibility, if Aristotle, Sartre or my own mind are any reliable indication.

Myself, I think you give humans too much credit and not enough, for we deserve, in my experience, neither none of our customary approbation nor veneration for a way of life far worse, far more congenitally disoriented and far more vital to - though wholly under the power of the longing of all song and knowledge - than is commonly supposed.

These astronomical ironies do absorb much of my time, much as would the gesticulations (strewn across every horizon of man and nature) of a dear lover whom I would exhume from some death in life after the fashion of what Herman Melville referred to as “Where lies the final harbor, whence we unmoor no more? In what rapt ether sails the world, of which the weariest will never weary? Where is the foundling’s father hidden? Our souls are like those orphans whose unwedded mothers die in bearing them: the secret of our paternity lies in their grave, and we must there learn it.”

A quote which I am currently intent upon committing to memory.

It pleases me that you have found a way to make you interactions as fruitful as possible for all concerned and that you took the time to write back, something I had no reason to expect.

I have made a study of life my occupation.

http://cosmicheaven.blogspot.ca/2016/12/axiom-829-congenital-cybernetic-paradox.html

This discussion is of some great interest to me. Your own contributions shall remain private of course. You have my solemn word.

"And I have felt a presence that disturbs me with the joy of elevated thoughts; a sense sublime of something far more deeply interfused, whose dwelling is the light of setting suns, and the round ocean and the living air, and the blue sky, and in the mind of man, a motion and a spirit, that impels all thinking things, all objects of all thought, and rolls through all things..."

William Wordsworth, Tintern Abbey, July 13, 1798



This and previous quotation at

Quotes On Mass Psychological Compliance







Rayn Gryphon commented on a video on YouTube.
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Note: I did not take on faith but have since found the land-based Geodetic evidence spanning centuries that the Earth is spherical in shape. However, I have yet to find any unequivocal evidence that it is moving at all, let alone around our sun.



A CAUTIONARY TALE FOR BALLERS:

Jeffrey Nelson
Here is a challenge to you flat earthers: Pool your money, yes I know, you are all minimum wage earners, baristas, McDonalds burger flippers, preachers etc, but if enough of you get together you could raise some money. Then pick the smartest flat earth crackpot that you can find (remember he must be able to look through the right end of a telescope) and fly him to Ecuador. Have him observe Polaris from the equator and record the elevation of the star from level (he must also be able to use and understand a bubble level). Then attempt to explain, within the context of the flat earth "theory" why Polaris is zero degrees at the equator and 90 degrees at the north pole. And your explanation is????? Well, maybe the earth is not flat after all. You might also fly (if you can raise some serious money) him to S Africa, Argentina, and Australia. At each of these locations take a time exposure due south, elevated to the latitude of the location. Then try to explain that, if the earth is flat, from all three locations the person will be looking in DIFFERENT directions, yet the time exposures of the southern celestial center are IDENTICAL. Now flat earthers, explain that one also. Well, maybe the earth is not flat after all. I'll be waiting for your report on this. If you flat earthers really are seeking "the truth" then you will welcome this challenge and its results. If you are just blind believers and bible thumpers then you will ignore this comment, or call me a "shill" or something else really stupid. A cheaper method of doing this would be to contact astronomy clubs local to those locations and ask them to do this and send you the results. Of course, if they don't agree with your flat earth notions, you will just add them to the billions of others involved in the round earth conspiracy.


Rayn Gryphon
+Jeffrey Nelson 1) Captain Obvious Here: "Why don't you do the experiment. Record your results with a non-biased observer. Write a peer-reviewed paper, get it published and furnish me with that publication with a cogent abbreviation of your methodology, procedure, prediction and results." 2) If you cannot do that, argument by mental laziness and tacit ad hominem is self-refuting as it is self-defeating. 3) Ergo, it is self-evident that people who need shoot themselves in the proverbial head in order to show that other people are "nuts" generally fall into the category of alcoholics and the like. 4) Suggestion from Captain Obvious: "Lose the hostility because it is corroding mental abilities already strained to their limit." Good day.

 




Rayn Gryphon
+City Unseen
I am not looking to convert anyone to my way of thinking, nor do I think it reasonable to deem anyone necessarily wrong or fallacious just because they think differently than do I. So, what's the problem?




Rayn Gryphon
+City Unseen Apparently indeed. Excuse me for troubling you, but what was your argument about anything that I have actually said?
 




City Unseen
+Rayn Gryphon In your OP, your rebuttal to Jeffrey Nelson. I simply pointed out that your rebuttal was a cute way of refusing to actually perform any of the experiments necessary to substantiate your claims, because you are not actually interested in the truth. And this holds true until such a time that you do choose to run the experiments and record your process and results.
 




Rayn Gryphon
+City Unseen
And your rational argument about anything I have actually said is what? I am not as powerful an intellect as you are but my belief is that people who are "interested in the truth" much less qualified to decide who is and is not "interested in the truth" can usually supply a rational argument without being asked several times in a row.
 




Rayn Gryphon
Just saying "you are not interested in the truth" is a logical and bigoted fallacy. What, by definition, confers without any danger of actual demonstration as though superior knowledge upon the agent whilst absolving him of all proportional burden of proof or evidence.

Answer:

the rhetorical fallacy.
 




Fred Lockard
+Rayn Gryphon Rayn, you seem a very bright person... surely you know that the majority of the scientific establishment does not support the flat earth??

does it not then follow that if Jeffrey follows your advice and performs step #1, he is just spending much of his time and energy trying to publish a peer-reviewed paper on a subject that is considered proven at least 100 times over if not 1000 times over? :)

like can you seriously imagine him flying to Ecuador and doing these observations... and then publishing WHERE?? in the Royal Astronomic Society's journal?? in one of Harvard's astronomy journals?

do you seriously think they would even bother to look at his paper?

he would be asserting something they have known about for over 500 years... what serious journal would even bother reading beyond the first sentence or two of his proposal?

the reason I feel this is relevant is you are essentially asking Jeffrey to waste days of his time and possibly even risk his life! I'm not sure the political situation is all that stable in Ecuador... there are numerous kidnappings that take place in Columbia... perhaps Ecuador is likewise dangerous?

so Jeffrey would need to spend all this coin, time, and perhaps even risk his life to write up a paper... only to attempt to publish it in journals that are working out the details of supermassive black holes and dark matter... journal fellowships who thus consider the sphericity of the Earth to be rather "old hat" LOL... and so basically to waste all that time for nothing??

cmon man... you can't be serious!! are you aware that it is not simply NASA who asserts the Earth is round?

did you know JAXA, CNSA, IRSA, and RKA assert the same exact thing?

did you know JAXA has sent probes to the moon and photograpped a spherical Earth from their lunar vantage point?

if you are wondering who those organizations are:
JAXA : Japanese space agency
CNSA : Chinese space agency
IRSA : Indian space agency
RKA : Russian space agency
 




Rayn Gryphon
+Fred Lockard
Thank for a perfect example of the strongest argument for your spinning ball death cult.

I have spent much time trying to find a rational argument for the spinning ball defies parallax, land-based optics and the known laws of fluid dynamics and perception if not the psychological market for anything on the ever dying horizon of man's emotional and ethical coordination and cognition from which any notion of a humane way of life has been stricken for perhaps ten thousand years. Science, as such, boasts products of both industrial and psychological utility, though utility in itself cannot support the claim that science is equipped to arbitrate for all that is known or knowable, something that no science can possibly prove; it is an assumption, no amount of useful products from which assumption necessarily confers validity upon it except by producing similar constraints upon human psychology.

This is the purpose of history and a cybernetic society and all of its science and religion cults of a society as religiously as scientifically kept poised upon a bloody brink of perpetual near collapse veritably at war with every natural instinct with which a child is born and to which we force our most vulnerable citizenry to conform under only the most Herculean duress, duress that could not possibly fail to stymie the courage (and whole brain development) of the most battle-hardened combat soldier, let alone that of a wee child of God (or of whatever aggregate of State brain-specific images of global or God-like influence, for good or ill).

Yours is an argument from established dominance (a dominance cannot possibly confer competence upon anyone on any rational basis, which is what preserves a safe space for everyone to make their own determinations about what is true for themselves and their children, what the nature of reality or the reality of nature, failing which there is no social value to science at all in the first place; it might as well be called the Church of Science).

Then your argument is just special emotional pleading to existing bias, something science and society suffers from (an apt subject in itself if you wish to discuss it with me in a rational manner).

If not, then you will, of course, have no reluctance or hesitation about supplying us with published citations as to your claims (or to the claims you cite), including a diligent abbreviation of their import, procedure and conclusions, so that we can know that at least you understand your own citation and it is not just an elaborate way for you to argue "this is what my priesthood said, so there."

And if not any of that then you are just lazy and this ruse is not about the truth (or nourishing a safe space for everyone to make their own most private determinations about what is true for them); it is about an excuse to avoid the truth and gain my and other people's support in protecting you and yours from the however imposing specter of your actual rational burden of argument and evidence so that you can just feel big and powerful by sheer dominance and shameless posturing.

In which case, that is an insult to the intelligence of the human race (no little sign that your own mind has sustained serious long lasting insult, possibly at the developmental stage of its life).

In which case, that is an insult to your entire species and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Which is it, smart man? Do you want to eat at the adult table or are you going to continue flinging your own malingering lack of self-esteem and intelligence at anyone who does not know better?

Go fuck yourself.

This will be used for educational purposes and therefore serve our community of Man, else it would be just a waste of everyone's time and you would have learned nothing, you lazy fuck.
 




Fred Lockard
+Rayn Gryphon
"Yours is an argument from established dominance"

"Go fuck yourself."


LOL, well sir you may not believe this, but I agree with many parts of your way of thinking... in step #1 that you suggested to Jeffrey, if we break it down into sub-sections:

1a) Why don't you do the experiment.

1b) Record your results with a non-biased observer.

1c) Write a peer-reviewed paper,

1d) get it published and furnish me with that publication with a cogent abbreviation of your methodology, procedure, prediction and results

I actually think the first three steps are fun and interesting... even if one is simply re-fortifying a science that is so well established and so well tested over the last 500 years

it is fun to do amateur astronomy because the stars and heavens are intrinsically beautiful, and you end up going back to basics... which is all a fun adventure and intellectually stimulating...

so I very much agree with the first three sub-steps you recommended to Jeffrey... all of that is quite marvelous, especially if he is one of those "book scientists" that has never rolled up his sleeves and done the work

and if it sounds like I'm arguing from dominance, it is not a dominance that emanates from within me, please believe me!!

I share your concern over modern science's overemphasis on "utility" and "results" and how often scientists seem so often to be mere handmaidens and servants to the military

what you might perceive as an argument of dominance coming from me is actually just my recognition that institutions like Harvard and MIT and Princeton are rather cold and brutal if you write to them and expect them to spend their limited time reviewing what amounts to somewhat amateur astronomy :)

I know how those bastards are up there believe me

I remember very well how cold my old high school friend seemed after he got his PHd from MIT... he didn't seem like the same person anymore... and it is because those institutions place such ridiculously high standards on the backs of the students

that is not something that comes from within me, is it?   is it not simply historical fact that these institutions have considered the matter of the Earth's shape settled since at least the 1700s if not earlier?

so while it might seem like I am taking the side of the ivy league... it is more just a recognition of their nature... I am trying to spare Jeffrey time and heartache

if Jeffrey follows your advice I'm pretty sure at sub-step #1d he will be met with disappointment as one busy professor after another writes him back and says something like "sorry sir, but I have no spare time to re-prove for the 20th time that the Earth is a sphere" :)


now perhaps I am making some assumptions what you meant by "peer-reviewed"

because I doubt you will find a group of astronomers to review amateur material at the ivy league schools... so perhaps you meant like Jeffrey's local astronomy clubs?

would that meet your qualification for peer review?   when you say "peer review" can you define that more precisely?  can it just be the local stargazing club?  or do they need to be lettered PHd's?

but nonetheless I think that does still leave the risk of his travelling to Ecuador and Africa... perhaps my concern is exaggerated... but I have heard Columbia and Africa are extremely dangerous politically speaking... have you not heard the same rumours of war?  am I getting bunk info on the safety of those countries?

my perception has been that many of those regions have no active sheriffs if you will... it is the law of the jungle down there... and if you get bonked on the head or drugged, you could end up in a slave ring or ransomed by kidnappers?

that hardly seems a worthy way to risk ones life just to prove what amateur astronomers have known for hundreds of years
 




Fred Lockard
+Rayn Gryphon
also I'm curious of your use of the phrase "spinning ball death cult"

is there something intrinsically death oriented about a spherical planet?

like if Mars had intelligent life living on it, would they also qualify as a death cult simply by recognizing the actual shape of their planet?

are you saying if the Earth was flat there would be no association with a cult of death?
 




Rayn Gryphon
+Fred Lockard I will take that as a no. The nature of organized military training facilities is not material to your burden - or your points are merely academic.

Lol - prefix to a "head lolling side to side and back and forth in between spates of pounding railway spikes into subcutaneous steel.
 




Fred Lockard
+Rayn Gryphon
"I will take that as a no."

hehe I will probably get to assembling a citation based argument at some point

you are absolutely correct that I have not done so yet, but it is not because I view the scientific establishment as my priests :)

I certainly respect many of them... but I do not fawn over their works lol... I try to keep up with the state of the art... and I respect them for getting there first... but I do not worship them as gods... I just see them as very advanced humans is all :)

I have not yet put together a citation-based refutation or proof because I am juggling many plates simultaneously so to speak... most of them work related... and do not at this time have the spare time to produce a paper with footnotes

the most I've delved into refuting flat earth arguments is posting youtube comments and  images of sunsets, the chicago skyline, examples of atmospheric refraction, and sometimes brief visual demonstrations of geometric formulas (for example explaining where the formula for curvature comes from)

but in time I will probably make time for assembling a citation based work... probably within 2 to 3 months


in the meantime I am curious what conflicts you have found with parallax measurements and a round Earth??

can you name specific stars that have not conformed to predicted values?

I am very curious, because if memory serves, the Hypparcos sky survey measured over 100,000 stellar parallaxes during the early 1990s

that in itself is maybe not conclusive, but where it gets extremely interesting and in my opinion close to conclusive is that those results were then compared with the distances predicted by redshift... and the two measurement techniques were in agreement with each other to an extraordinary degree!!!


[Note that each of either conclusion, good or bad, is appropriate, since the military intelligence mafia controls all such research.]

how much more assuring multi-source confirmation could one get than that?  to measure distance via parallax which is geometrical in nature and via redshift which has to do with the mechanics of wave propagation through the vacuum of space and the gravity wells

the phrase "overlapping magisteria" comes to mind when I hear of that landmark accomplishment of the Hypparcos team!  perhaps not the original or intended use of that phrase... but that is what comes to my mind :)    a sort of multi-source or better yet multi-discipline confirmation of ultimate reality!


now I must caution you that stellar parallax is a very delicate thing... the distances involved are so great... ground-based optics are usually not up to the task because the Earth's atmosphere distorts the light rays too much

my vision is pretty crap... far from 20/20... and for example just this morning at 5am I observed twinkling in the Sagitarrius constellation without my glasses on... that should tell you something man

it means the distortion caused by the Earth's atmosphere is SIGNIFICANT!!  if a half blind man can see a star twinkling, then imagine how much WORSE the situation is for somebody trying to establish parallax measurements!! lmao

this is the reason Hypparcos was a space-based mission... I suppose it was spelled Hipparcos actually... but anyway, it was a satellite launched into space

like the Hubble, it makes the delicate measurements from space because the distorting atmosphere is not some minor variable that can just be shrugged off

I have this feeling in my gut that the task you were going to set before Jeffrey was to make parallax measurements from Ecuador and Africa?

is my guess correct?
 




Rayn Gryphon
+Fred Lockard Parallax is not just a way to measure (and distances are absurd - even one AU is utterly arbitrary). It predicts massive changes in the constellations that have been depicted since before the caves of Lascaux, especially considering the speeds (up to 660 million mph) used to keep consistency with a heliocentric model as fictional and inwardly consistent as Lord of the Rings. We are talking relative motion of millions of AU just in one century. That would be like walking through a forest and all the trees behaving as if they were all always the same distance from the observer (believer). Like those odds? Go play the Lotto supported by the same chance as winning ten thousand times in a row and being struck by lightening every time in the same exact spot. Good luck. Bad luck.

I respect your religion. The most sophisticated on Earth to be sure. But your ardent enthusiasm for sophistry at best is the very definition of a death cult by every qualification I have already made. Or do you think that all the war and grief on earth is but a natural part of life absolves us of all proportional moral agency or rational discourse as though that could have nothing to do with all the war and grief on earth in the first place (xenophobic as that is) and by a way of life and science whose primary export were but a proportional developmental psychotic delusion farmed like any stretch of horse manure for all the most magical thoughts (destructive they may be) most gratifying to the modern sycophant and most harmful to children forced into little else for their whole psychological survival in life (their whole safety, progress or salvation) under whatever religious, economic, political or scientific pretense?

I get that your religion feels good as it dispenses little pre-digested fact pellets for its roiling mass of human cattle, human inventory. And need it even be said that the inventory do not run the business.
 
 



Rayn Gryphon
+Fred Lockard Parallax is not just a way to measure (and distances are absurd - even one AU is utterly arbritary). It predicts massive changes in the constellations that have been depicted since before the caves of Lascaux, especially considering the speeds (up to 660 million mph) used to keep consistency with a heliocentric model as fictional and inwardly consistent as Lord of the Rings. We are talking relative motion of millions of AU just in one century. That would be like walking through a forest and all the trees behaving as if they were all always the same distance from the observer (believer). Like those odds? Go play the Lotto supported by the same chance as winning ten thousand times in a row and being struck by lightening every time in the same exact spot. Good lick. Bad luck.

I respect your religion. The most sophisticated on Earth to be sure. But your ardent enthusiasm for sophistry at best is the very definition of a death cult by every qualification I have already made. Or do you think that all the war and grief on earth is but a natural part of life absolves us of all proportional moral agency or rational discourse as though that could have nothing to do with all the war and grief on earth in the first place (xenophobic as that is) and by a way of life and science whose primary export were but a proportional developmental psychotic delusion farmed like any stretch of horse manure for all the most magical thoughts (destructive they may be) most gratifying to the modern sycophant and most harmful to children forced into little else for their whole psychological survival in life (their whole safety, progress or salvation)?

I get that your religion feels good as it dispenses little pre-digested fact pellets for its roiling mass of human cattle, human inventory. And need it even be said that the inventory do not run the business.
 




Boik77
There is reason why no experiments are conducted. This is just some creationist spin off, because every time (if you press hard enough) we come to God. God created flat earth and a dome above. It's a religious thing with completely different end game, just like Kent Hovind. There is no difference if the earth is flat or round as long as God made everything. Same shit in different packaging.
 




Rayn Gryphon
+Boik77
Yes. And I would only add that As long as the story apes your own personal story and voice in favor of the comparably narcotic power of pooling it with some tribal orthodox that promotes and indulges the conflation of personal revelation (or story) and fact, even though this rather detracts more than not from the natural power and intelligence of any story (fact or fiction), except under the commensurate narcotic effects of what amounts to an however popular brand of high functioning narcissistic delusional psychosis and psychopathy supplied by our own immune system (and that of social groups) in order to protect the world and ourselves from ourselves. Such people, when pressed, never seem to give any credence to their own voice, much less to their own family history, much less how it actually effected their brains inured to more than they come to even want to know, even though this effectively removes them from any very accountable orientation to their environment, a trait that, tellingly, generally qualifies them or any cult member to vaunt their or their tribe's authority to arbitrate for distinctions between fact and fiction.

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